Pointer Cursor

[stdavis]

Should the button component use a pointer cursor rather than leaving it unchanged? I think that the pointer cursor gives an additional cue that the button is clickable.

Same question for log out menu item:

[steveoh]

I'm following https://github.com/adobe/react-spectrum/wiki/Frequently-Asked-Questions-%28FAQs%29#why-dont-buttons-use-a-pointer-cursor

which specify that most clickable elements (with the exception of links), should use an arrow cursor for all states, including hover and down.

The intent is to better match native browser behavior, the CSS spec, Microsoft interface guidelines and Apple interface guidelines.

If we are treating this like a link then I could see changing the pointer.

[stdavis]

Interesting. I couldn't find any sites with buttons that use the arrow cursor including microsoft.com and apple.com. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. I looked for buttons that were not links like add to cart stuff.

Either way, do you want the "Sign out" menu item set to something other than text?

[steveoh]

It's possible that I interpreted that incorrectly since I also don't see the treatment I would expect after looking at all of those websites including adobes. I've reached out for clarification.

I did have the same question and used that as an answer since the utah design system doesn't provide guidance. I thought it would be nice to follow a cited pattern but if it's not being followed in practice then it's not that nice. Whatever we do it needs to be consistent.

I don't follow this...

Either way, do you want the "Sign out" menu item set to something other than text?

Right now it's a MenuItem component which ultimately is a button. The menu styling needs to be updated and I have a task to do that but haven't made time yet.

[steveoh]

Adobe is sticking to their guns.

Yeah, I'm not sure every team/product follows these guidelines perfectly, but we wanted to as a component library.

[stdavis]

I don't follow this...

When I hover over the "Sign out" menu item in the Avatar menu, the cursor turns to the "text" type. It doesn't show up on a screenshot so I can't easily share it with you.

[steveoh]

This should be fixed with #304. I'm going to close this and we can continue this discussion internally.