diff --git a/examples/crd_derive.rs b/examples/crd_derive.rs
index 00ab5875c..b3c409d37 100644
--- a/examples/crd_derive.rs
+++ b/examples/crd_derive.rs
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
-use k8s_openapi::{apimachinery::pkg::apis::meta::v1::Condition, Resource};
-use kube::CustomResource;
+use k8s_openapi::apimachinery::pkg::apis::meta::v1::Condition;
+use kube::{CustomResource, Resource};
 use schemars::JsonSchema;
 use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
 
@@ -11,6 +11,7 @@ use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
     group = "clux.dev",
     version = "v1",
     kind = "Foo",
+    plural = "fooz",
     struct = "FooCrd",
     namespaced,
     status = "FooStatus",
@@ -35,7 +36,7 @@ pub struct FooStatus {
 }
 
 fn main() {
-    println!("Kind {}", FooCrd::KIND);
+    println!("Kind {}", FooCrd::kind(&()));
     let mut foo = FooCrd::new("hi", MyFoo {
         name: "hi".into(),
         info: None,
@@ -84,13 +85,13 @@ fn verify_crd() {
       "apiVersion": "apiextensions.k8s.io/v1",
       "kind": "CustomResourceDefinition",
       "metadata": {
-        "name": "foos.clux.dev"
+        "name": "fooz.clux.dev"
       },
       "spec": {
         "group": "clux.dev",
         "names": {
           "kind": "Foo",
-          "plural": "foos",
+          "plural": "fooz",
           "shortNames": ["f"],
           "singular": "foo"
         },
@@ -183,20 +184,29 @@ fn verify_crd() {
       }
     });
     let crd = serde_json::to_value(FooCrd::crd()).unwrap();
+    println!("got crd: {}", serde_yaml::to_string(&FooCrd::crd()).unwrap());
     assert_eq!(crd, output);
 }
 
 #[test]
 fn verify_resource() {
     use static_assertions::{assert_impl_all, assert_impl_one};
-    assert_eq!(FooCrd::KIND, "Foo");
-    assert_eq!(FooCrd::GROUP, "clux.dev");
-    assert_eq!(FooCrd::VERSION, "v1");
-    assert_eq!(FooCrd::API_VERSION, "clux.dev/v1");
-    assert_impl_all!(FooCrd: k8s_openapi::Resource, k8s_openapi::Metadata, Default);
+    assert_eq!(FooCrd::kind(&()), "Foo");
+    assert_eq!(FooCrd::group(&()), "clux.dev");
+    assert_eq!(FooCrd::version(&()), "v1");
+    assert_eq!(FooCrd::api_version(&()), "clux.dev/v1");
+    assert_impl_all!(FooCrd: Resource, Default);
     assert_impl_one!(MyFoo: JsonSchema);
 }
 
+#[tokio::test]
+async fn verify_api_gen() {
+    use kube::{Api, Client};
+    let client = Client::try_default().await.unwrap();
+    let api: Api<FooCrd> = Api::namespaced(client, "myns");
+    assert_eq!(api.resource_url(), "/apis/clux.dev/v1/namespaces/myns/fooz");
+}
+
 #[test]
 fn verify_default() {
     let fdef = FooCrd::default();
@@ -206,6 +216,7 @@ apiVersion: clux.dev/v1
 kind: Foo
 metadata: {}
 spec:
-  name: """#;
+  name: ""
+"#;
     assert_eq!(exp, ser);
 }
diff --git a/examples/crd_derive_no_schema.rs b/examples/crd_derive_no_schema.rs
index 6db64b57f..ee66c656b 100644
--- a/examples/crd_derive_no_schema.rs
+++ b/examples/crd_derive_no_schema.rs
@@ -60,14 +60,14 @@ fn main() {
 #[cfg(not(feature = "schema"))]
 #[test]
 fn verify_bar_is_a_custom_resource() {
-    use k8s_openapi::Resource;
+    use kube::Resource;
     use schemars::JsonSchema; // only for ensuring it's not implemented
     use static_assertions::{assert_impl_all, assert_not_impl_any};
 
-    println!("Kind {}", Bar::KIND);
+    println!("Kind {}", Bar::kind(&()));
     let bar = Bar::new("five", MyBar { bars: 5 });
     println!("Spec: {:?}", bar.spec);
-    assert_impl_all!(Bar: k8s_openapi::Resource, k8s_openapi::Metadata);
+    assert_impl_all!(Bar: kube::Resource);
     assert_not_impl_any!(MyBar: JsonSchema); // but no schemars schema implemented
 
     let crd = Bar::crd_with_manual_schema();
diff --git a/kube-derive/Cargo.toml b/kube-derive/Cargo.toml
index adf5ad1ad..82b2598af 100644
--- a/kube-derive/Cargo.toml
+++ b/kube-derive/Cargo.toml
@@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ schema = []
 [dev-dependencies]
 serde = { version = "1.0.118", features = ["derive"] }
 serde_yaml = "0.8.17"
+kube = { path = "../kube", version = "^0.51.0"}
 k8s-openapi = { version = "0.11.0", default-features = false, features = ["v1_20"] }
 schemars = { version = "0.8.0", features = ["chrono"] }
 chrono = "0.4.19"
diff --git a/kube-derive/src/custom_resource.rs b/kube-derive/src/custom_resource.rs
index 065c4bf3d..dd138ca61 100644
--- a/kube-derive/src/custom_resource.rs
+++ b/kube-derive/src/custom_resource.rs
@@ -164,8 +164,8 @@ pub(crate) fn derive(input: proc_macro2::TokenStream) -> proc_macro2::TokenStrea
         impl #rootident {
             pub fn new(name: &str, spec: #ident) -> Self {
                 Self {
-                    api_version: <#rootident as k8s_openapi::Resource>::API_VERSION.to_string(),
-                    kind: <#rootident as k8s_openapi::Resource>::KIND.to_string(),
+                    api_version: <#rootident as kube::Resource>::api_version(&()).to_string(),
+                    kind: <#rootident as kube::Resource>::kind(&()).to_string(),
                     metadata: k8s_openapi::apimachinery::pkg::apis::meta::v1::ObjectMeta {
                         name: Some(name.to_string()),
                         ..Default::default()
@@ -177,37 +177,62 @@ pub(crate) fn derive(input: proc_macro2::TokenStream) -> proc_macro2::TokenStrea
         }
     };
 
-    // 2. Implement Resource trait for k8s_openapi
+    // 2. Implement Resource trait
+    let name = singular.unwrap_or_else(|| kind.to_ascii_lowercase());
+    let plural = plural.unwrap_or_else(|| to_plural(&name));
+    let scope = if namespaced { "Namespaced" } else { "Cluster" };
+
     let api_ver = format!("{}/{}", group, version);
     let impl_resource = quote! {
-        impl k8s_openapi::Resource for #rootident {
-            const API_VERSION: &'static str = #api_ver;
-            const GROUP: &'static str = #group;
-            const KIND: &'static str = #kind;
-            const VERSION: &'static str = #version;
-        }
-    };
+        impl kube::Resource for #rootident {
+            type DynamicType = ();
 
-    // 3. Implement Metadata trait for k8s_openapi
-    let impl_metadata = quote! {
-        impl k8s_openapi::Metadata for #rootident {
-            type Ty = k8s_openapi::apimachinery::pkg::apis::meta::v1::ObjectMeta;
-            fn metadata(&self) -> &Self::Ty {
+            fn group(_: &()) -> std::borrow::Cow<'_, str> {
+               #group.into()
+            }
+
+            fn kind(_: &()) -> std::borrow::Cow<'_, str> {
+                #kind.into()
+            }
+
+            fn version(_: &()) -> std::borrow::Cow<'_, str> {
+                #version.into()
+            }
+
+            fn api_version(_: &()) -> std::borrow::Cow<'_, str> {
+                #api_ver.into()
+            }
+
+            fn plural(_: &()) -> std::borrow::Cow<'_, str> {
+                #plural.into()
+            }
+
+            fn meta(&self) -> &kube::api::ObjectMeta {
                 &self.metadata
             }
-            fn metadata_mut(&mut self) -> &mut Self::Ty {
-                &mut self.metadata
+
+            fn name(&self) -> String {
+                self.meta().name.clone().expect("kind has metadata.name")
+            }
+
+            fn resource_ver(&self) -> Option<String> {
+                self.meta().resource_version.clone()
+            }
+
+            fn namespace(&self) -> Option<String> {
+                self.meta().namespace.clone()
             }
         }
     };
-    // 4. Implement Default if requested
+
+    // 3. Implement Default if requested
     let impl_default = if has_default {
         quote! {
             impl Default for #rootident {
                 fn default() -> Self {
                     Self {
-                        api_version: <#rootident as k8s_openapi::Resource>::API_VERSION.to_string(),
-                        kind: <#rootident as k8s_openapi::Resource>::KIND.to_string(),
+                        api_version: <#rootident as kube::Resource>::api_version(&()).to_string(),
+                        kind: <#rootident as kube::Resource>::kind(&()).to_string(),
                         metadata: k8s_openapi::apimachinery::pkg::apis::meta::v1::ObjectMeta::default(),
                         spec: Default::default(),
                         #statusdef
@@ -219,10 +244,7 @@ pub(crate) fn derive(input: proc_macro2::TokenStream) -> proc_macro2::TokenStrea
         quote! {}
     };
 
-    // 5. Implement CustomResource
-    let name = singular.unwrap_or_else(|| kind.to_ascii_lowercase());
-    let plural = plural.unwrap_or_else(|| to_plural(&name));
-    let scope = if namespaced { "Namespaced" } else { "Cluster" };
+    // 4. Implement CustomResource
 
     // Compute a bunch of crd props
     let mut printers = format!("[ {} ]", printcolums.join(",")); // hacksss
@@ -315,7 +337,7 @@ pub(crate) fn derive(input: proc_macro2::TokenStream) -> proc_macro2::TokenStrea
         }
     };
 
-    // TODO: should ::crd be from a trait?
+    // Implement the ::crd method (fine to not have in a trait as its a generated type)
     let impl_crd = quote! {
         impl #rootident {
             pub fn crd() -> #apiext::CustomResourceDefinition {
@@ -350,7 +372,6 @@ pub(crate) fn derive(input: proc_macro2::TokenStream) -> proc_macro2::TokenStrea
     quote! {
         #root_obj
         #impl_resource
-        #impl_metadata
         #impl_default
         #impl_crd
     }
diff --git a/kube-derive/src/lib.rs b/kube-derive/src/lib.rs
index bd71fb161..f41f2ae04 100644
--- a/kube-derive/src/lib.rs
+++ b/kube-derive/src/lib.rs
@@ -10,8 +10,8 @@ mod custom_resource;
 /// A custom derive for kubernetes custom resource definitions.
 ///
 /// This will generate a **root object** containing your spec and metadata.
-/// This root object will implement the [`k8s_openapi::Metadata`] + [`k8s_openapi::Resource`]
-/// traits so it can be used with [`kube::Api`].
+/// This root object will implement the [`kube::Resource`] trait
+/// so it can be used with [`kube::Api`].
 ///
 /// The generated type will also implement a `::crd` method to generate the crd
 /// at the specified api version (or `v1` if unspecified).
@@ -20,7 +20,7 @@ mod custom_resource;
 ///
 /// ```rust
 /// use serde::{Serialize, Deserialize};
-/// use k8s_openapi::Resource;
+/// use kube::Resource;
 /// use kube_derive::CustomResource;
 /// use schemars::JsonSchema;
 ///
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@ mod custom_resource;
 ///     info: String,
 /// }
 ///
-/// println!("kind = {}", Foo::KIND); // impl k8s_openapi::Resource
+/// println!("kind = {}", Foo::kind(&())); // impl kube::Resource
 /// let f = Foo::new("foo-1", FooSpec {
 ///     info: "informative info".into(),
 /// });
@@ -149,8 +149,7 @@ mod custom_resource;
 ///     spec: FooSpec,
 ///     status: Option<FooStatus>,
 /// }
-/// impl k8s_openapi::Resource for FooCrd {...}
-/// impl k8s_openapi::Metadata for FooCrd {...}
+/// impl kube::Resource for FooCrd {...}
 ///
 /// impl FooCrd {
 ///     pub fn new(name: &str, spec: FooSpec) -> Self { ... }
@@ -196,8 +195,7 @@ mod custom_resource;
 ///
 /// [`kube`]: https://docs.rs/kube
 /// [`kube::Api`]: https://docs.rs/kube/*/kube/struct.Api.html
-/// [`k8s_openapi::Metadata`]: https://docs.rs/k8s-openapi/*/k8s_openapi/trait.Metadata.html
-/// [`k8s_openapi::Resource`]: https://docs.rs/k8s-openapi/*/k8s_openapi/trait.Resource.html
+/// [`kube::Resource`]: https://docs.rs/kube/*/kube/trait.Resource.html
 #[proc_macro_derive(CustomResource, attributes(kube))]
 pub fn derive_custom_resource(input: proc_macro::TokenStream) -> proc_macro::TokenStream {
     custom_resource::derive(proc_macro2::TokenStream::from(input)).into()
diff --git a/kube/src/api/dynamic.rs b/kube/src/api/dynamic.rs
index ebc01b0a1..55c994496 100644
--- a/kube/src/api/dynamic.rs
+++ b/kube/src/api/dynamic.rs
@@ -16,6 +16,8 @@ pub struct GroupVersionKind {
     kind: String,
     /// Concatenation of group and version
     api_version: String,
+    /// Optional plural/resource
+    plural: Option<String>,
 }
 
 impl GroupVersionKind {
@@ -52,11 +54,13 @@ impl GroupVersionKind {
         } else {
             format!("{}/{}", group, version)
         };
+        let plural = Some(ar.name.clone());
         Self {
             group,
             version,
             kind,
             api_version,
+            plural,
         }
     }
 
@@ -87,8 +91,15 @@ impl GroupVersionKind {
             version,
             kind,
             api_version,
+            plural: None,
         })
     }
+
+    /// Set an explicit plural/resource value to avoid relying on inferred pluralisation.
+    pub fn plural(mut self, plural: &str) -> Self {
+        self.plural = Some(plural.to_string());
+        self
+    }
 }
 
 /// A dynamic representation of a kubernetes resource
@@ -139,20 +150,29 @@ impl DynamicObject {
 impl Resource for DynamicObject {
     type DynamicType = GroupVersionKind;
 
-    fn group(f: &GroupVersionKind) -> Cow<'_, str> {
-        f.group.as_str().into()
+    fn group(dt: &GroupVersionKind) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+        dt.group.as_str().into()
     }
 
-    fn version(f: &GroupVersionKind) -> Cow<'_, str> {
-        f.version.as_str().into()
+    fn version(dt: &GroupVersionKind) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+        dt.version.as_str().into()
     }
 
-    fn kind(f: &GroupVersionKind) -> Cow<'_, str> {
-        f.kind.as_str().into()
+    fn kind(dt: &GroupVersionKind) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+        dt.kind.as_str().into()
     }
 
-    fn api_version(f: &GroupVersionKind) -> Cow<'_, str> {
-        f.api_version.as_str().into()
+    fn api_version(dt: &GroupVersionKind) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+        dt.api_version.as_str().into()
+    }
+
+    fn plural(dt: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+        if let Some(plural) = &dt.plural {
+            plural.into()
+        } else {
+            // fallback to inference
+            crate::api::metadata::to_plural(&Self::kind(dt).to_ascii_lowercase()).into()
+        }
     }
 
     fn meta(&self) -> &ObjectMeta {
@@ -208,6 +228,7 @@ mod test {
     #[tokio::test]
     #[ignore] // circle has no kubeconfig
     async fn convenient_custom_resource() {
+        use crate as kube; // derive macro needs kube in scope
         use crate::{Api, Client, CustomResource};
         use schemars::JsonSchema;
         use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
diff --git a/kube/src/api/metadata.rs b/kube/src/api/metadata.rs
index 907b99129..f424c61da 100644
--- a/kube/src/api/metadata.rs
+++ b/kube/src/api/metadata.rs
@@ -25,33 +25,45 @@ pub trait Resource {
     type DynamicType: Send + Sync + 'static;
 
     /// Returns kind of this object
-    fn kind(f: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str>;
+    fn kind(dt: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str>;
     /// Returns group of this object
-    fn group(f: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str>;
+    fn group(dt: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str>;
     /// Returns version of this object
-    fn version(f: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str>;
+    fn version(dt: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str>;
     /// Returns apiVersion of this object
-    fn api_version(f: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str> {
-        let group = Self::group(f);
+    fn api_version(dt: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+        let group = Self::group(dt);
         if group.is_empty() {
-            return Self::version(f);
+            return Self::version(dt);
         }
         let mut group = group.into_owned();
         group.push('/');
-        group.push_str(&Self::version(f));
+        group.push_str(&Self::version(dt));
         group.into()
     }
+    /// Returns the plural name of the kind
+    ///
+    /// This is known as the resource in apimachinery, we rename it for disambiguation.
+    /// By default, we infer this name through pluralization.
+    ///
+    /// The pluralization process is not recommended to be relied upon, and is only used for
+    /// `k8s_openapi` types, where we maintain a list of special pluralisations for compatibility.
+    ///
+    /// Thus when used with `DynamicObject` or `kube-derive`, we override this with correct values.
+    fn plural(dt: &Self::DynamicType) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+        to_plural(&Self::kind(dt).to_ascii_lowercase()).into()
+    }
 
     /// Creates a url path for http requests for this resource
-    fn url_path(t: &Self::DynamicType, namespace: Option<&str>) -> String {
+    fn url_path(dt: &Self::DynamicType, namespace: Option<&str>) -> String {
         let n = if let Some(ns) = namespace {
             format!("namespaces/{}/", ns)
         } else {
             "".into()
         };
-        let group = Self::group(t);
-        let api_version = Self::api_version(t);
-        let plural = to_plural(&Self::kind(t).to_ascii_lowercase());
+        let group = Self::group(dt);
+        let api_version = Self::api_version(dt);
+        let plural = Self::plural(dt);
         format!(
             "/{group}/{api_version}/{namespaces}{plural}",
             group = if group.is_empty() { "api" } else { "apis" },
@@ -78,15 +90,15 @@ where
 {
     type DynamicType = ();
 
-    fn kind<'a>(_: &()) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+    fn kind(_: &()) -> Cow<'_, str> {
         K::KIND.into()
     }
 
-    fn group<'a>(_: &()) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+    fn group(_: &()) -> Cow<'_, str> {
         K::GROUP.into()
     }
 
-    fn version<'a>(_: &()) -> Cow<'_, str> {
+    fn version(_: &()) -> Cow<'_, str> {
         K::VERSION.into()
     }
 
@@ -125,7 +137,7 @@ pub struct TypeMeta {
 }
 
 // Simple pluralizer. Handles the special cases.
-fn to_plural(word: &str) -> String {
+pub(crate) fn to_plural(word: &str) -> String {
     if word == "endpoints" || word == "endpointslices" {
         return word.to_owned();
     } else if word == "nodemetrics" {
diff --git a/kube/src/api/typed.rs b/kube/src/api/typed.rs
index a5cb08f7c..f68490734 100644
--- a/kube/src/api/typed.rs
+++ b/kube/src/api/typed.rs
@@ -89,6 +89,11 @@ impl<K: Resource> Api<K> {
     pub fn into_client(self) -> Client {
         self.into()
     }
+
+    /// Return a reference to the current resource url path
+    pub fn resource_url(&self) -> &str {
+        &self.request.url_path
+    }
 }
 
 /// PUSH/PUT/POST/GET abstractions